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and the fiscal cliff with the panel. but before we let you go, ed, what is the news about the president's new cabinet? there is news about that. >> chuck hague the former republican senator is now the leading contender for defense secretary. leon panetta expected to step down soon. the bottom line, he and the president met behind closed doors at the white house earlier in month. he served with the president and the senate and vice president biden in the senate and i'm told behind the scenes biden is pushing this hard. we have could see a kerry-hagel new national security team and possibility of susan rice moving over to the national security advisor, bret? >> bret: thank you. just got word speaker boehner just left the white house as we were talking. there is a conflicting information if the star witness will answer questions week from today and herridge has more on the uncertainty surrounding hillary clinton. first, reaction on capitol hill to the withdrawal of ambassador rice. good evening. >> good evening. >> leading
and the fiscal cliff with the panel. but before we let you go, ed, what is the news about the president's new cabinet? there is news about that. >> chuck hague the former republican senator is now the leading contender for defense secretary. leon panetta expected to step down soon. the bottom line, he and the president met behind closed doors at the white house earlier in month. he served with the president and the senate and vice president biden in the senate and i'm told behind the...
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we are running up against the fiscal cliff. we heard from firms that unless a framework for a deal is forged in the next few days they are going to run out of time in order to actually move whatever deal they come up with through both changes to the house and the senate. this is why i got new information that last night senate majority leader harry reid met in a private dinner and he was saying he believes it's nearly impossible to get the fiscal cliff deal done before christmas. what they are focused on is a so-called plan "b" where the house in the next few days may pass extension of the middle class tax cuts. the old bush tax cuts. then let the tax rates for the rich go up and fight it out in january and february over spending cuts. we'll see whether or not conservative goes along with that, if speaker boehner was party to that. the second big story is susan rice. in the last couple of hours calling the president and saying she is pulling her name out of consideration for secretary of state, all because of the controversy ov
we are running up against the fiscal cliff. we heard from firms that unless a framework for a deal is forged in the next few days they are going to run out of time in order to actually move whatever deal they come up with through both changes to the house and the senate. this is why i got new information that last night senate majority leader harry reid met in a private dinner and he was saying he believes it's nearly impossible to get the fiscal cliff deal done before christmas. what they are...
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. >> fiscal clip? >> cliff. >> oh. >> what is the fiscal cliff? >> i have no idea. >> all right, one month later, nearly everyone knows what it is. nearly. >> are you concerned about this so-called fiscal cliff? >> ah, no, i'm not actually. i think that they will fix it and i'm a positive person. >> i am not concerned about the fiscal cliff. >> how come? >> because right now i'm concerned about getting the right gift for my mom? >> i still have people and friends, very close friends, out of work, underemployed, so, i, yeah, of course i'm concerned about it, yeah. >> do you know what the fiscal cliff is, ashley? >> i do, but i don't know enough about it tos be concerned or have an opinion on it so i'd rather just worry about my christmas gifts. >> all right, she gave me an honest answer. bull regardless of knowledge, people are increasing their spending, everyone from piper afterree to the consumer federation said people are spending more this holiday and we are hearing from shoppers here that cliff or no cliff, they are most all telling me they th
. >> fiscal clip? >> cliff. >> oh. >> what is the fiscal cliff? >> i have no idea. >> all right, one month later, nearly everyone knows what it is. nearly. >> are you concerned about this so-called fiscal cliff? >> ah, no, i'm not actually. i think that they will fix it and i'm a positive person. >> i am not concerned about the fiscal cliff. >> how come? >> because right now i'm concerned about getting the right gift for my mom?...
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i think, now, the fiscal cliff saanich u, no question about it. we are going to get fiscal tightening one way or the other. what we're assuming is this is such a lose-lose proposition for both sides. if they actually let this thing, not gust get through december 31st and do nothing about it. think about it. can president obama get anything done until he gets something, no? >> all the cuts that happened as a result of the fiscal cliff, all over the place. let's cut hundreds of billions in defense. it doesn't indicate what missions are going to be no longer what, programs we're going to kim. i mean, we really have to be stupid to be doing that. >> so irresponsible. >> not knowing where the cuts are hitting. >> right. >> for the security of this country. >> i agree. >> so, therefore, you're going to get some agreement. maybe it's january 5th, maybe it's december 30th, january 10th, but it will probably be a band-aid agreement. that's the problem. this isn't going to be one of these long-term deficit reduction, credible agreements that does tax reform
i think, now, the fiscal cliff saanich u, no question about it. we are going to get fiscal tightening one way or the other. what we're assuming is this is such a lose-lose proposition for both sides. if they actually let this thing, not gust get through december 31st and do nothing about it. think about it. can president obama get anything done until he gets something, no? >> all the cuts that happened as a result of the fiscal cliff, all over the place. let's cut hundreds of billions in...
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the news nation is following the road to the fiscal cliff which now appears to be filled with craters, not just potholes. the question now, are we back to square one? >> how you feeling about a deal? optimistic? >> still a work in progress. >> ifs and ands and buts will like candy and nuts f that was the case, every day would be christmas. my goal is we get to an agreement with the president of the united states that addresses this problem. >> don't even think about raising medicare age. we are not throwing america's seniors over the cliff to give a tax cut for the wealthiest people in america. >> the president is not going to stop spending. he is proposed -- >> senator -- >> more spending. so it's hard to work with someone who i think is intentionally trying to take us over this cliff. >> he is prepared to negotiate but it is not a tenable position to say that the tax cuts for the wealthy should be made permanent. it is not gonna happen. >> as for future talks between the president and house speaker bain per, so far, none are planned and all of this comes as our new nbc news/wall str
the news nation is following the road to the fiscal cliff which now appears to be filled with craters, not just potholes. the question now, are we back to square one? >> how you feeling about a deal? optimistic? >> still a work in progress. >> ifs and ands and buts will like candy and nuts f that was the case, every day would be christmas. my goal is we get to an agreement with the president of the united states that addresses this problem. >> don't even think about...
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much more on the fiscal cliff ahead. energy 21 chairman john shiller says the outcome will greatly impact his industry as you can imagine. he is our special guest coming up. tracy: congressman tom cole says even if the congress passes the president's tax cuts it will not solve the problem, spending. let's see how oil is trading. the dow fallen further down 84 points. oil trading $86.27 a barrel. about a rise of 50 cents. we'll be right back. [ male announcer ] this is the age of knowing what you're made of. why let erectile dysfunction get in your way? talk to your doctor about viagra. ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex. do not take viagra if you take nitrates for chest pain; it may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. side effects include headache, flushing, upset stomach, and abnormal vision. to avoid long-term injury, seek immediate medical help for an erection lasting more than four hours. stop taking viagra and call your doctor right away if you experience a sden decrease or loss in vision or hearing. th
much more on the fiscal cliff ahead. energy 21 chairman john shiller says the outcome will greatly impact his industry as you can imagine. he is our special guest coming up. tracy: congressman tom cole says even if the congress passes the president's tax cuts it will not solve the problem, spending. let's see how oil is trading. the dow fallen further down 84 points. oil trading $86.27 a barrel. about a rise of 50 cents. we'll be right back. [ male announcer ] this is the age of knowing what...
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number one first is the fiscal cliff. and i think the market itself is expecting, as josh had said, that there will be some form of a grand compromise coming. that is a little bit concerning because i think everyone really is treating it with not so much cautiousness. and the vulnerability to the down side, is pretty significant if we fail to compromise. on ben bernanke and his ability to once again give the market what it was supposed to want -- >> and we'll talk more about that later. >> -- and we'll get into that, but let me say this and i'll walk you through it later. i think the message of the federal reserve since the beginning of this year should not be listened to by investors. >> steph, so how do you try and navigate the stock market, again, when we're getting these comments out of washington, and as our own eamon javers reports, perhaps things have taken a small step back in negotiations? >> i think it's interesting we're only down 29 points on the dow. that's number one. and this is just what negotiations are,
number one first is the fiscal cliff. and i think the market itself is expecting, as josh had said, that there will be some form of a grand compromise coming. that is a little bit concerning because i think everyone really is treating it with not so much cautiousness. and the vulnerability to the down side, is pretty significant if we fail to compromise. on ben bernanke and his ability to once again give the market what it was supposed to want -- >> and we'll talk more about that later....
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people worried about the fiscal cliff. all that piles in. down 4%, loss for the quarter did narrow in the fourth quarter, and they have new contracts in home deliveries going well for them. i wanted to look at the broader market averages, and right now, the dow is down one quarter of 1%. both merck and boeing weighing on the dow jones industrials, each down more than 11%. -- 1%. on the topside, wal-mart, caterpillar, all winners. connell: news alert from california where blue shield wants to raise rates on individual policyholders from the "l.a. times" saying the health insurance company wants to raise rates by as much as 20% for some individuals out there with an average increase much 12% for 3,000 customers. the times talked with consumer advocates saying the non-profit should use some of its 3.9 # billion reserve to hold down those premiums, but higher rates out in california. the big story in tech land today, and this is making a lot of iphone users happy, i know. for months, there's been criticism over the mapping application on the new
people worried about the fiscal cliff. all that piles in. down 4%, loss for the quarter did narrow in the fourth quarter, and they have new contracts in home deliveries going well for them. i wanted to look at the broader market averages, and right now, the dow is down one quarter of 1%. both merck and boeing weighing on the dow jones industrials, each down more than 11%. -- 1%. on the topside, wal-mart, caterpillar, all winners. connell: news alert from california where blue shield wants to...
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the fiscal cliff. he is about to give you the head start investors like. find out about it next in this mad dash. >>. >>> how will solar city fare in its debut this morning? chairman elon musk and lyndon rive will join us on cnbc. we count you down to the opening, the s & p losing less than one. if you think running a restaurant is hard, try running four. fortunately we've got ink. it gives us 5x the rewards on our internet, phone charges and cable, plus at office supply stores. rewards we put right back into our business. this is the only thing we've ever wanted to do and ink helps us do it. make your mark with ink from chase. we create easy-to-use, powerful trading tools for all. look at these streaming charts! they're totally customizable and they let you visualize what might happen next. that's genius! we knew you needed a platform that could really help you elevate your trading. so we built it. chances of making this? it's a lot easier to find out if a trade is potentially profitable. just use our
the fiscal cliff. he is about to give you the head start investors like. find out about it next in this mad dash. >>. >>> how will solar city fare in its debut this morning? chairman elon musk and lyndon rive will join us on cnbc. we count you down to the opening, the s & p losing less than one. if you think running a restaurant is hard, try running four. fortunately we've got ink. it gives us 5x the rewards on our internet, phone charges and cable, plus at office supply...
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interestingly folks that are paying more attention to the fiscal cliff story are more pessimistic. it's the folks paying less attention that are more optimistic. judging by what we're hearing from negotiators, the public clearly knows something is up in the bad way. >> i remain the most optimistic person in this town but we've got some serious differences. the longer the white house slow walks this discussion, the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff and the more person jobs are placed in jeopardy. >> the white house in turn insists its republicans are being inflexible. >> i don't believe that we've heard anything from the leadership that suggests they have moved off their position. they have refused to accept the fundamental fact that hiring -- the top 2% of earners in america are not going to have their tax cuts extended. >> the two sides have been swapping proposals this week but insiders say they didn't view the last white house plan as a serious counteroffer so they resent their original proposal to the president. the problem isn't just there's a big gulf between the tw
interestingly folks that are paying more attention to the fiscal cliff story are more pessimistic. it's the folks paying less attention that are more optimistic. judging by what we're hearing from negotiators, the public clearly knows something is up in the bad way. >> i remain the most optimistic person in this town but we've got some serious differences. the longer the white house slow walks this discussion, the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff and the more person jobs are...
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the threat of the fiscal cliff is real. we need to come together and pass a balanced package that continues building for a clean energy future. i yield back the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the chair lays before the house an enrolled bill. the clerk: h.r. h.r. 2467, an act to take serl federal lands in mono county, california, into trust for the benefit of the bridgeport indian colony. the speaker pro tempore: pursuant to clause 8 of rule 20, the chair will postpone further proceedings today on motions to suspend the rules on which a recorded vote or the yeas and nays are ordered or on which the vote incurs objection under clause 6 of rule 20. record votes on postponed questions will be taken later. for what purpose does the gentleman from utah seek recognition? mr. chaffetz: mr. speaker, i move that the house suspend the rules and pass h.r. 4053 as amended. the speaker pro tempore: the clerk will report the title of the bill. the clerk: union calendar number 509, h.r. 4053, a bill to intensify efforts to id
the threat of the fiscal cliff is real. we need to come together and pass a balanced package that continues building for a clean energy future. i yield back the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the chair lays before the house an enrolled bill. the clerk: h.r. h.r. 2467, an act to take serl federal lands in mono county, california, into trust for the benefit of the bridgeport indian colony. the speaker pro tempore: pursuant to clause 8 of rule 20, the chair will postpone further...
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the fiscal cliff. we want to talk to congressman james langford, a republican from the state of oklahoma. nice to have you with us, sir. we appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> you have in all seriousness been warned not to make plans for christmas. what do you think is the likelihood in fact that a deal would be done before christmas, number one? and what exactly are they telling you to do or not do? >> at this point we've been told by eric cantor and speaker boehner just to hold the schedule through the rest of the year. that's the same thing we heard right after the election. hang on to the calendar and we'll watch and see how this unfolds. obviously americans work through the holidays a lot and so as members of the house and senate, we'll continue to do that as well. >> how will it work low gistically. you're done today, right? the last working day, you're off tomorrow. do you go anyway and everybody is just on call meaning you'd be brought back to do some sort of a vote? >> americans loose track
the fiscal cliff. we want to talk to congressman james langford, a republican from the state of oklahoma. nice to have you with us, sir. we appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> you have in all seriousness been warned not to make plans for christmas. what do you think is the likelihood in fact that a deal would be done before christmas, number one? and what exactly are they telling you to do or not do? >> at this point we've been told by eric cantor and speaker boehner just...
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now back to the fiscal cliff for awhile. there was a voice spoken yesterday that you would think again, members of congress would listen to. ben bernanke, chairman of the fed saying hey guys, you got -- he's the one who came up with the term fiscal cliff. >> did he. >> bill: warning to members of congress. here he is yesterday. >> even though we've not yet even reached the point of the fiscal cliff potentially kicking in it is already affecting business investment and hiring decisions by creating uncertainty or creating pessimism. >> bill: front page of "the hill" today, cliff is already inflicting damage. it is because people don't know what the hell's going to happen. >> it will be interesting to see what ben bernanke says behind closed doors and the cursing he does at congress. he has to be rolling his eyes that we're at this point and at least publicly, we're nowhere. the clock is ticking and he was saying once again listen, don't minimize this. as president obama said, this is avoidable. they can do this. but if they do
now back to the fiscal cliff for awhile. there was a voice spoken yesterday that you would think again, members of congress would listen to. ben bernanke, chairman of the fed saying hey guys, you got -- he's the one who came up with the term fiscal cliff. >> did he. >> bill: warning to members of congress. here he is yesterday. >> even though we've not yet even reached the point of the fiscal cliff potentially kicking in it is already affecting business investment and hiring...
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. >>> let's get to politics here at home and the fiscal cliff. one thing we could probably agree with here, the american people would love to see a deal before new year's day. that's according to a new nbc/"wall street journal" poll. in fact, a majority of both democrats and republicans say they would like their leaders to compromise even if it means giving ground on long-held party positions. >> wow, look at that. >> so you know, at this point, what does anybody have to lose but to come together and make a deal? expectations are in check with respondents equally divided, 48%-48% on whether a deal will actually get done. if there's no agreement, 56% say both sides will be to blame. 24% say it will be the republicans' fault, while 19% will point the finger at president obama. >> again, let's stop and freeze on that number again. this is a number that is borne not out of what's been happening over the past couple weeks but what's been happening over the past couple years. the republicans have damaged their brand in such a way that the benefit of th
. >>> let's get to politics here at home and the fiscal cliff. one thing we could probably agree with here, the american people would love to see a deal before new year's day. that's according to a new nbc/"wall street journal" poll. in fact, a majority of both democrats and republicans say they would like their leaders to compromise even if it means giving ground on long-held party positions. >> wow, look at that. >> so you know, at this point, what does anybody...
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. >> steve: people are drinking because of the fiscal cliff . are we closer? no . boehner and obama are still far apart. there is it a series of offers and counter offers. the president ins they raise taxes on the top two successful people in america who draw a paycheck. fox news request asked you what you thought. >> brian: most of us want spending cuts . pen percent said the country has budget problems and in terms of tax increases only 20 percent say it is a good idea. what is note worthy for the republicans, when asked who is doing a better job negotiating, porpercent said president obama. >> gretchen: two points come to mind . fox news polls are not just of fox news viewers. theses of americans in general. that said majority of all americans believe that we have a spending problem. the second point is there is cognitive dissidents. michigan votes over whelming for president obama, and yet now it is it a right to work state. voters wanted that which tends to be a republican ideal. wait a minute, people voted for president obama and they believed his message to
. >> steve: people are drinking because of the fiscal cliff . are we closer? no . boehner and obama are still far apart. there is it a series of offers and counter offers. the president ins they raise taxes on the top two successful people in america who draw a paycheck. fox news request asked you what you thought. >> brian: most of us want spending cuts . pen percent said the country has budget problems and in terms of tax increases only 20 percent say it is a good idea. what is...
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be enough to undo the fiscal cliff. >> i hope it won't happen, if the fiscal cliff occurs, as i said many times, i don't think the federal reserve has the tools to offset that event. >> it was ben bernanke who first said fiscal cliff in a speech. another thing i want to bring to you, this report from mcafee warning about a potential widespread raid on your bank account by trojan malware in 2013. it's called projemalware target your bank account to siphon money out of bank accounts from 30 of the biggest banks, including these and fidelity, e-trade, charles schwabb, pay pal. this is a big problem. this is the second security firm that warned they found the fingerprints of this just lying on your hard drive waiting to come back to bite you. so as you can imagine, the banks, the security firms, everyone scrambling to figure out how they'll be able to undo it, if they can. a warning there about this. >> so even if we beat the apocalypse, the fiscal cliff, we're all still hosts. >> suspend your money now. just kidding. >> barbara walters called it the elephant in the room. chris christie
be enough to undo the fiscal cliff. >> i hope it won't happen, if the fiscal cliff occurs, as i said many times, i don't think the federal reserve has the tools to offset that event. >> it was ben bernanke who first said fiscal cliff in a speech. another thing i want to bring to you, this report from mcafee warning about a potential widespread raid on your bank account by trojan malware in 2013. it's called projemalware target your bank account to siphon money out of bank accounts...
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cliff. they had the super committee that was supposed to decide by november or december of last year. the super committee wasn't able to reach an agreement. so what did they do? stop. they didn't work the next month. there was nothing to stop the super committee or the president or leader pelosi, complaining about losing her vacation, nothing stopping anybody from doing the work. congress not only ding didn't do its work, but this august, went on vacation and campaigned, repaid the salaries for torch campaign to get the job back and then what happens now? there is whining because you can't spend the holidays with your family. i think of the families, worried about jobs. what kind of holiday are they going to have if the congress doesn't solve this? >> you can see the same frustration in new jersey, for the people waiting for the recovery efforts from fema with the trailers sitting around. the house of representatives passed the legislation that will stave off the sequestration for a full yea
cliff. they had the super committee that was supposed to decide by november or december of last year. the super committee wasn't able to reach an agreement. so what did they do? stop. they didn't work the next month. there was nothing to stop the super committee or the president or leader pelosi, complaining about losing her vacation, nothing stopping anybody from doing the work. congress not only ding didn't do its work, but this august, went on vacation and campaigned, repaid the salaries for...
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back to the fiscal cliff that we went by. >> it jumped the shark. i'm cutting you all off. carole, abbey and charles. thank you. you have been one of the liveliest panels that i have had since yesterday. astronaut marketly up next. [ nurse ] i'm a hospice nurse. britta olsen is my patient. i spend long hours with her checking her heart rate, administering her medication, and just making her comrtable. one night britta told me about a tradition in denmark, "when a person dies," she said, "someone must open the window so the soul can depart." i smiled and squeezed her hand. "not tonight, britta. not tonight." [ female announcer ] to nurses everywhere, thank you, from johnson & johnson. we believe the more you know, the better you trade. so we have ongoing webinars and interactive learning, plus, in-branch seminars at over 500 locations, where our dedicated support teams help you know more so your money can do more. [ rodger ] at scottrade, seven dollar trades are just the start. our teams have the information you want when you need it. it's another reason more investors are s
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the corporate taxes may be part of the fiscal cliff talks. here is dan mitchell, senior fellow at the cato institute. google stashed $10 million in bermuda, hp has almost all of its cash offshore and apple said to shareholders, two-thirds of its $121 billion of cash is held outside the united states. now why is that? is it just because they hate america? >> two things to understand. number one, everything they do is completely legal. it's foreign source income that is being taxed in the countries where it's being earned. but, number, two, the u.s. has the highest corporate tax rate in the developed world. these companies if they bring that money back to the united states will be double taxed on top of what they paid oversea, yes, with some credit so maybe it doesn't get too much above 35% but we are shooting ourselves in the foot with very bad corporate tax policy. >> will president obama clahang that with this talk of corporate tax reform? >> i don't want to burst your bubble. i'm not sure the administration is serious about this. we've seen
the corporate taxes may be part of the fiscal cliff talks. here is dan mitchell, senior fellow at the cato institute. google stashed $10 million in bermuda, hp has almost all of its cash offshore and apple said to shareholders, two-thirds of its $121 billion of cash is held outside the united states. now why is that? is it just because they hate america? >> two things to understand. number one, everything they do is completely legal. it's foreign source income that is being taxed in the...
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this meeting and the fiscal cliff. so, we're looking at, you know, the next week and a half where we have a congressional, where congress is going to leave, a lot of them say they're staying if they have a deal or not. the options market was not too focused on this meeting. look at the futures curve to see that. one of the things i'll tell you right now, with december expiration, which is next friday which coincides when congress is supposed to lead, the s&p at the money straddle, if you bought that, only about 1.5%, okay? that's not pricing a whole heck of a lot. so, the market's telling you that people aren't that worried that we won't get a deal by the time congress leaves for the holidays. >> in terms to the push to riskier assets, you can believe it's the four-year anniversary of the felt's fund race basically being zero. since then, what have the markets done? nothing but go higher. the nasdaq is up 90% of that anniversary. the s&p 500 is up 57% and the dow is up 49%. hasn't this worked? >> it certainly has worke
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trading words in any progress or lack thereof on the looming fiscal cliff. david: live with the very latest proposals, if there are any real ones. >> all of this with a sense of optimism from both sides. no movement to secure a deal. wanting immediate tax rate hikes on the wealthy on the spending cuts. latest offer, $1.4 trillion in new tax revenue down from a previous offer of 1.6 trillion. and willingness to begin corporate tax reform. house speaker john boehner says that deal fell short. speak of the president's plan to avert the fiscal cliff still does not meet the two standards as laid out the day after the election. the plan does not fulfill his promise to bring a balanced approach to solving this problem. >> it is not a realistic position to say that we can resolve this by extending tax cuts for the wealthiest americans and vaguely promising that we will lean additional revenue by closing loopholes and counting deductions in a way everyone knows is unrealistic. >> republicans continue to refuse to raise tax rates on wealthier families, the official cl
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we're one day closer to the dreaded fiscal cliff and washington is freezing over. >>> the fiscal cliff is coming to town. >> he says he's an optimist. >> i remain optimistic. >> i remain the most optimistic person in this town. >> but he doesn't sound optimistic. >> i'm pretty confident republicans would not hold middle class taxes hostage. >> we've got differences. >> taxes are going up one way or the other. >> the president and i had a deliberate talk. >> the key is to make sure the taxes go up on the high end individuals like you and me, barbara. we can afford it. >> they're going to have to cave in on this rate increase on the rich. >> we're going to stay here right up until christmas eve. >> the time is running short. >> merry cliffmas. ♪ >>> bundle up, everybody. because it is cold out there. and with just 12 days to hanging our stockings by the chimney and 20 days until the dreaded fiscal cliff, there's a distinct chill in the air. after the exchange of new offers, the president phones john boehner last night for one what aide described as a tense call. the speaker today, he h
we're one day closer to the dreaded fiscal cliff and washington is freezing over. >>> the fiscal cliff is coming to town. >> he says he's an optimist. >> i remain optimistic. >> i remain the most optimistic person in this town. >> but he doesn't sound optimistic. >> i'm pretty confident republicans would not hold middle class taxes hostage. >> we've got differences. >> taxes are going up one way or the other. >> the president and i had a...
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let's go on where we are with the fiscal cliff. i am becoming increasingly pessimistic that we are going have a deal done by january 1st. i don't think that's the end of the world, but basically democrats and republicans are living in two realities right now. democrats feel like we won an election and we are holding ought will cards. we don't have to compromise and want to compromise. republicans are feeling like they have leverage that i don't think they have. they think they can go to the debt ceiling and do another hostage crisis like we had in 2011. i think their hand is weak there as well. number one, the drama is gone from some of the debt ceiling crisis since we have been through it already. number two, the american people are not going to take kindly to that tactic. especially when it's being used to do things like take away people's medicare. i don't think that's going to go over very well. both of those things mean that it's going to be hard to get enough democrats and enough republicans to go along with the deal before j
let's go on where we are with the fiscal cliff. i am becoming increasingly pessimistic that we are going have a deal done by january 1st. i don't think that's the end of the world, but basically democrats and republicans are living in two realities right now. democrats feel like we won an election and we are holding ought will cards. we don't have to compromise and want to compromise. republicans are feeling like they have leverage that i don't think they have. they think they can go to the...
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so where specifically are they putting all that money to work in light of fiscal cliff? take a listen to what bla blackrock's robert casid 0 to me. he manages the firm's $3.7 trillion in assets. >> does this mean we good over the fiscal cliff. >> it is a very high likelihood it does or 11:59 on december 31st with a lot of hoopla. but tax rate are going to go up. there is a going to be a conclusion to this. even if it waits until the last minute. even if it is in january, what it is going to mean is slow growth. it may mean that we lose the entire first quarter because everybody is still worrying and talking about the issue. and here we go, clients again, investing in a time when they need to be invested. >> he also thinks if we go over the cliff it might trig ear recession. what about the fed? as you know, it announced those big moves today. tying any move in rates to the unemployment rate. are we in a bond double? we will hear from blackrock's chief investment officers of fundamentals fixed income reader told me later. >> ty, over to you. >> thank you very much. to the
so where specifically are they putting all that money to work in light of fiscal cliff? take a listen to what bla blackrock's robert casid 0 to me. he manages the firm's $3.7 trillion in assets. >> does this mean we good over the fiscal cliff. >> it is a very high likelihood it does or 11:59 on december 31st with a lot of hoopla. but tax rate are going to go up. there is a going to be a conclusion to this. even if it waits until the last minute. even if it is in january, what it is...
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the markets will respond badly if we go over the fiscal cliff. foreign investors will respond badly if america goes over the fiscal cliff at the end of this year. there's a sense, i'm hearing, increasing pessimism among republicans that say we can't afford to have these kinds of talks, even the stalling process doesn't look good for the country. >> there's other incentives that are bringing both republicans, especially the white house, to the table with respect to the fiscal cliff. we did reporting on this. >> your bosom buddy. >> yeah, but there's stimulus the white house wants as a result of the fiscal cliff deal. they don't want to see a lapse, for instance, in the payroll tax cut. although they'd be fine with it being replaced by something else. unemployment insurance passed, infrastructure spending, those are incentives for the white house to cut a deal on the fiscal cliff as opposed to just going over it and saying, okay, we'll just take the, you know, sequester cuts and bush tax rates. >> that's right, and they were willing to do that in 2
the markets will respond badly if we go over the fiscal cliff. foreign investors will respond badly if america goes over the fiscal cliff at the end of this year. there's a sense, i'm hearing, increasing pessimism among republicans that say we can't afford to have these kinds of talks, even the stalling process doesn't look good for the country. >> there's other incentives that are bringing both republicans, especially the white house, to the table with respect to the fiscal cliff. we did...
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taxes, fiscal cliff. why do you have to bring in social security and medicare and fix something that's not broke? >> stephanie: social security's case, we keep saying doesn't add a penny to the deficit. >> it is absurd. if you're going to curtail something or act like something is horribly busted, then i would say the military expenditures that go into effect because of the sequestration actually are something that's a crucial. they're going to drop off immediately and the spending on them is overtly far beyond its necessity. >> stephanie: it is more than the military asks for. congress is trying to give them more. >> to do what with? it is not like they're not ahead technologically from -- on every front. >> but we need to be able to blow up the world 150 times not 147. >> stephanie: otherwise we're french and gay. ron in illinois, you're on "the stephanie miller show." hi ron. >> caller: good morning, steph. >> stephanie: good morning. >> caller: i don't understand why john boehner think -- unless he's
taxes, fiscal cliff. why do you have to bring in social security and medicare and fix something that's not broke? >> stephanie: social security's case, we keep saying doesn't add a penny to the deficit. >> it is absurd. if you're going to curtail something or act like something is horribly busted, then i would say the military expenditures that go into effect because of the sequestration actually are something that's a crucial. they're going to drop off immediately and the spending...
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dagen: a new development in the fiscal cliff talks. it could include an overhaul of the corporate tax code. with reaction, let's bring in congresswoman loretta sanchez. she is from the beautiful state of california. congresswoman, good to see you. are you on board with this? >> well, i will have to see the moving pieces before i make a decision on things. certainly, i always thought that if we could, we would put in corporate tax rates, not individual rates. we will see. we will see if the president and speaker boehner can come up with a deal. and, secondly, if speaker boehner has enough votes to have enough people vote for it. dagen: we have heard from senator harry reid once again. if the democrats do not get the tax increase on wealthy americans that he is willing to go over the cliff, the end of the year. we are awfully close. >> remember that congress always has the ability to set a new set of tax rates. even if we went through december 31 and these rates went away and everybody's taxes increased, honestly, some more than others,
dagen: a new development in the fiscal cliff talks. it could include an overhaul of the corporate tax code. with reaction, let's bring in congresswoman loretta sanchez. she is from the beautiful state of california. congresswoman, good to see you. are you on board with this? >> well, i will have to see the moving pieces before i make a decision on things. certainly, i always thought that if we could, we would put in corporate tax rates, not individual rates. we will see. we will see if...
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you were chatting about some of the fiscal cliff issues overall watching so closely. how do you prioritize here? how does egypt figure in this letter for example, to some of the other challenges we're facing as a country? >> well egypt is an international challenge for us and a foreign relations challenge for us but egypt has been prior to the revolution one of the more stablizing forces in the middle east. there's a huge election that started today in embassies around the world for egyptians and will culminate this saturday when they start the vote on the new constitution. there is a lot of concern about the new constitution. a lot of concern about the power it gives president morsi. that will be a major issue for us in the united states. jenna: how concerned are you some of the smuggle abouted weapons will be turned on us? >> the smuggled weapons won't be turned on us per se. but because of our pact to defend israel if they attack israel they are attack the united states. jenna: you said we don't need a threat now? >> we need diplomacy to work and president morsi to
you were chatting about some of the fiscal cliff issues overall watching so closely. how do you prioritize here? how does egypt figure in this letter for example, to some of the other challenges we're facing as a country? >> well egypt is an international challenge for us and a foreign relations challenge for us but egypt has been prior to the revolution one of the more stablizing forces in the middle east. there's a huge election that started today in embassies around the world for...
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>>> but we begin with the latest on the fiscal cliff. republicans made another counteroffer but it's reportedly not much different from their first offer. though we don't have specifics, we do know the president and john boehner talked on the phone last night and that call, according to a republican familiar with it, was tense and lasted just 15 minutes. i want to bring in real clear politics reporter aaron mcpike and david hawkings, editor of the cq roll call daily briefing. good morning. so president obama sat down with barbara walters last night. here's what he said. >> most important thing we can do is make sure the middle class taxes do not go up on january 1st and i'm pretty confident that republicans would not hold middle class taxes hostage to try to protect tax cuts for high income individuals. >> so he's confident. is it almost a foregone conclusion, do you think, david, that this is going to be the first piece of the puzzle that falls into place? >> i'm pretty confident that that's going to have to be the first piece of the pu
>>> but we begin with the latest on the fiscal cliff. republicans made another counteroffer but it's reportedly not much different from their first offer. though we don't have specifics, we do know the president and john boehner talked on the phone last night and that call, according to a republican familiar with it, was tense and lasted just 15 minutes. i want to bring in real clear politics reporter aaron mcpike and david hawkings, editor of the cq roll call daily briefing. good...
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despite all the gloom the president said he remains confident a fiscal cliff deal will get done. charlie and norah? >> major garrett thank you. nancy pelosi leads the democratseads in the house of representatives. we're pleased to have her with this m us.good good morning. >> good morning. >> where are these negotiations? when they were bargaining over the grand bargain you gave the the president and your caucus did cus d room to go in there and negotiate. he has that i assume, again, sosume he can put spending cuts and cuts and entitlement cuts on the table.he presi >> the president knows our views, sha views, shares our values. we respect his leadership and there's a recognition that he he may need our votes.e's n >> but there's no red line for you and the democrats in the use. house. you want the president to make a deal and deal and lay out what he can do.do. >> that is true. t however, we want what happens toe of the be fair and to work.e and one of the things we object to is raising the medicare age. red >> it's not a red line for you?g that >> it's something that says don'
despite all the gloom the president said he remains confident a fiscal cliff deal will get done. charlie and norah? >> major garrett thank you. nancy pelosi leads the democratseads in the house of representatives. we're pleased to have her with this m us.good good morning. >> good morning. >> where are these negotiations? when they were bargaining over the grand bargain you gave the the president and your caucus did cus d room to go in there and negotiate. he has that i...
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as long as the fiscal cliff is approaching ahead. we have a panel to debate how like light is that a dial might happen any soon, bill, plus th this. [chanting] bill: tempers are hot on fire. controversial right to work law passed in michigan and a top union leader is here live in a moment and will react to all of that. martha: in a will be pretty interesting, stick around for that. a massive gas explosion. look at that car driving flight through it, melted parts of a major interstate. witnesses describe this horrifying scene coming up. >> all of a sudden i mean the christmas -- the ornaments on the tree, my pictures rattled, everything, and then it just -- it sounded -- almost like the end of the world, or like turbine engines. bill: a major highway reopening in west virginia after a massive explosion shut it down. check that out. that is a police car driving through the flames. several homes destroyed, interstate 77 is now back open in both directions, and the natural gas line fire melted guardrails, left an 800-foot section baked b
as long as the fiscal cliff is approaching ahead. we have a panel to debate how like light is that a dial might happen any soon, bill, plus th this. [chanting] bill: tempers are hot on fire. controversial right to work law passed in michigan and a top union leader is here live in a moment and will react to all of that. martha: in a will be pretty interesting, stick around for that. a massive gas explosion. look at that car driving flight through it, melted parts of a major interstate. witnesses...
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the other day, we were talking about the fiscal cliff. and you tell us it will be really, really bad. why does the market keep going up? >> everyone thinks they will fix it. in the market, the question, what will the top rate be for the highest earners. 37%? the market says there will be a deal and lower corporate tax rates. if there isn't a deal, after the first of the year, a big stock market sell-off. >> we'll talk about the 20 days left to the fiscal cliff, straight ahead. >>> still ahead, a prominent republican now officially a democrat. we'll take a closer look at why former florida governor charlie crist left the gop behind. he'll join us to talk about that. >>> and the hit reality show "storage wars," by the way, i love that show. is it fake? what one star is saying. say it ain't so. that in a moment. mmmm. [ female announcer ] make new traditions with pillsbury grands! cinnamon rolls. [ sniffs ] i took dayquil but my nose is still runny. [ male announcer ] truth is, dayquil doesn't treat that. really? [ male announcer ] alka-selt
the other day, we were talking about the fiscal cliff. and you tell us it will be really, really bad. why does the market keep going up? >> everyone thinks they will fix it. in the market, the question, what will the top rate be for the highest earners. 37%? the market says there will be a deal and lower corporate tax rates. if there isn't a deal, after the first of the year, a big stock market sell-off. >> we'll talk about the 20 days left to the fiscal cliff, straight ahead....
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in a few short weeks, the fiscal cliff is coming to town. merry cliff mas. with a dramatic name like fiscal cliff, it has to be exciting. jim? >> the president is asking for 1.6 trillion. >> $600 billion in tax hikes. >> dividends and capital gains. >> discretionary spending. >> i'm up. what happened? is it over? >> pro union protesters are swarming the michigan capitol building in lansing. >> you're disgusting. >> dude, you are from michigan, detroit. eight mile. you have to come up with better miles than busting and disgusting. if you want to win the rap battle, put effort into it. >> you have one job. one factory. when you seize every benefit you could, yo, my palms are sweaty and knees weak working in the factory building chevies. you plug it in and you win. ecologically because if it was an actual race you would not actually. you got to collect for the union or robots are going to take away our jobs or to the chinese kids with the tiny hands the work will go. this opportunity comes once in a lifetime yo. >> we are locking at heavy rain and we will see i
in a few short weeks, the fiscal cliff is coming to town. merry cliff mas. with a dramatic name like fiscal cliff, it has to be exciting. jim? >> the president is asking for 1.6 trillion. >> $600 billion in tax hikes. >> dividends and capital gains. >> discretionary spending. >> i'm up. what happened? is it over? >> pro union protesters are swarming the michigan capitol building in lansing. >> you're disgusting. >> dude, you are from michigan,...
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call china, let's borrow more. >> steve: so many people are fixated on the fiscal cliff and the president wants to jack up taxes on people who are successful. up to maybe about 40%. that's one of the theories out there. he'd love 40%. but a lot of people forget about the medical device tax, plus all the obamacare taxes already baked into the equation. >> it's a tax here, a tax there, a fee there, a fee here, everything goes up. medical care gets more expensive. not less expensive. >> steve: he talks about money. he talks about politics. he talks about all sorts of stuff on fox business, 9:20 eastern time. the great stuart varney, thanks for dropping by. >> thank you. >> steve: all right. now would you like to wake up to this every morning? (baby crying). >> steve: wait until you hear who is blasting the sounds of babies crying into one neighborhood. then christmas coming early for one military family. "fox & friends" giving them the surprise of a lifetime. initiated. neural speeds increasing to 4g lte. brain upgrading to a quad-core processor. predictive intelligence with google now compl
call china, let's borrow more. >> steve: so many people are fixated on the fiscal cliff and the president wants to jack up taxes on people who are successful. up to maybe about 40%. that's one of the theories out there. he'd love 40%. but a lot of people forget about the medical device tax, plus all the obamacare taxes already baked into the equation. >> it's a tax here, a tax there, a fee there, a fee here, everything goes up. medical care gets more expensive. not less expensive....
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. >>> turning now to politics and the fiscal cliff negotiation. president obama and speaker boehner are keeping an open dialogue. speaking on the phone yesterday after trading secret proposals to avoid the year-end deadline. with few details revealed, officials say the president lowered his initial asking price on tax cuts to $1.4 trillion. president boehner took his displeasure to the house floor. >> we're still waiting for the white house to identify what spending cuts the president is willing to make as part of the balanced approach that he promised the american people. where are the president's spending cuts? the longer the white house slow-walks this process, the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff. >> president obama responded, showing republicans where they could find the details. >> it's not a mystery. we've seen this before. this is the document that contains the specific spending cuts. the speaker of the house sent us a proposal that was two pages long that included one sentence on revenue. the proposal here includes, i believe f
. >>> turning now to politics and the fiscal cliff negotiation. president obama and speaker boehner are keeping an open dialogue. speaking on the phone yesterday after trading secret proposals to avoid the year-end deadline. with few details revealed, officials say the president lowered his initial asking price on tax cuts to $1.4 trillion. president boehner took his displeasure to the house floor. >> we're still waiting for the white house to identify what spending cuts the...
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. >>> all right, less than three weeks to go until that so-called fiscal cliff, and still no deal. but this morning, there are signs of some movement in negotiations. president obama and house speaker john boehner did speak by phone last night. that conversation came after the president offered to reduce his initial request for $1.6 trillion in new revenue to $1.4 trillion but is reportedly not backing down on raising taxes for the top 2%. boehner's spokesman said republicans are still seeking further concessions on spending cuts. >>> well, there are some new details this morning on that london nurse who took her own life after passing through a prank call at the hospital that was treating kate middleton for extreme morning sickness. jacintha saldanha's family reveals that she left a suicide note, though they haven't released details of what that note said. earlier this week, the two deejays who made the call said the tragedy has left them shattered, gutted and heartbroken. >>> now, here's your first look at this morning's "dish of scrambled politics." mitt romney wasn't the only o
. >>> all right, less than three weeks to go until that so-called fiscal cliff, and still no deal. but this morning, there are signs of some movement in negotiations. president obama and house speaker john boehner did speak by phone last night. that conversation came after the president offered to reduce his initial request for $1.6 trillion in new revenue to $1.4 trillion but is reportedly not backing down on raising taxes for the top 2%. boehner's spokesman said republicans are still...
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to sdus fiscal cliff deals. a deal was not sealed. we're 20 days from the fiscal cliff. time becoming critical. congress going on christmas break two days from now, shannon travis following the snipping and deal making in washington. shannon, what's in the proposals? do you know? >> zoraida, this will be confusing for viewers. let's try to break this down as simple as possible. president obama and house speaker john boehner spoke yesterday evening after an offer from the white house and a counteroffer from republicans. the white house offer, the white house wanted 1.6 trillion in new revenue in terms of increased tax occasion -- reducing -- excuse me. increasing the rates on the wealthiest americans. now they are down to 1.4 trillion on monday. on tuesday, the republicans responded. we don't have a whole lot of details on that but bainary's office saying, you know what, white house? show us cuts to entitlement spending before we talk about entitlement reform. amid that back drop, since nothing is firm just yet. republicans and democrats are obviously still as you mention
to sdus fiscal cliff deals. a deal was not sealed. we're 20 days from the fiscal cliff. time becoming critical. congress going on christmas break two days from now, shannon travis following the snipping and deal making in washington. shannon, what's in the proposals? do you know? >> zoraida, this will be confusing for viewers. let's try to break this down as simple as possible. president obama and house speaker john boehner spoke yesterday evening after an offer from the white house and a...
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some experts think the overhang of the fiscal cliff will likely dampen investor enthusiasm. erika miller, nbr, new york. >> tom: the latest economic statistics the federal reserve can consider is the october trade balance, with american importing a record amount of stuff from china. that increased our trade deficit to $42.2 billion. u.s. exports fell 3.6%, the biggest drop in almost four years. imports also fell, down 2.1% to the lowest in 20 months. on wall street, the dow gained 78, the nasdaq rose 44, the s& up nine. >> susie: our next guest says the fed's stimulus policies have been good for the u.s. economy and the markets. he's mike holland, chairman of his money management firm, holland and company. >> susie: mike, you heard erica's report. which do you think is more important for investors, fed policy action tor the fiscal cliff talks? >> right now, susie, the fiscal cliff talks are clearly the item dejure for the stock market. i think most people expect exactly what eric miller was talking about from the fed. and bern bueno ben bernanke hasn transparent and telling
some experts think the overhang of the fiscal cliff will likely dampen investor enthusiasm. erika miller, nbr, new york. >> tom: the latest economic statistics the federal reserve can consider is the october trade balance, with american importing a record amount of stuff from china. that increased our trade deficit to $42.2 billion. u.s. exports fell 3.6%, the biggest drop in almost four years. imports also fell, down 2.1% to the lowest in 20 months. on wall street, the dow gained 78, the...
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fiscal cliff? >> you know, i remain optimistic that there are enough people of good will in this town that recognize our economy will be much better off, american families will be much better off if we get this done. the most important thing we can do is make sure the middle class taxes do not go up on january 1st. and i'm pretty confident that republicans would not hold middle class taxes hostage to try to protect tax cuts for high-income individuals. >> there is big news tonight out of washington where speaker john boehner and obama are talking. this is actually not nothing, not in this town. early last week they really weren't talking, and neither were their staffs. progress on what to do about all those expiring tax cuts and schedule spending cuts and that possible recession congress might create, totally stalled. but now today they are talking, and their staffs are talking, and they're even exchanging paper, real paper. news leaked today that in the last few days, there have been new offers an
fiscal cliff? >> you know, i remain optimistic that there are enough people of good will in this town that recognize our economy will be much better off, american families will be much better off if we get this done. the most important thing we can do is make sure the middle class taxes do not go up on january 1st. and i'm pretty confident that republicans would not hold middle class taxes hostage to try to protect tax cuts for high-income individuals. >> there is big news tonight...
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the fiscal cliff is more than -- is not about the fiscal cliff at all. this fiscal cliff is about other things. there are a number of things that need be addressed. this discussion really is not about the fiscal cliff, per cent. congress and the president can come together quickly and pass a bill that would put off the fiscal cliff, he there for some large amount of time or even indefinitely. it really is about making a down payment on closing deficits in the future. i would say it is also really about the president's campaign not this -- not just this past election but his first election to hike taxes on the successful. we have to see some real leadership on the longer-term budget unsustainable issues. what we do not need is negotiating in the political theater. when we see that stop, that we know we will be serious about whether we will resolve the fiscal cliff and have some large down payment. when it comes to republicans and conservatives, there are three things to bearer in mind. one is the house republicans they were elected to cut spending and not
the fiscal cliff is more than -- is not about the fiscal cliff at all. this fiscal cliff is about other things. there are a number of things that need be addressed. this discussion really is not about the fiscal cliff, per cent. congress and the president can come together quickly and pass a bill that would put off the fiscal cliff, he there for some large amount of time or even indefinitely. it really is about making a down payment on closing deficits in the future. i would say it is also...
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and these taxes are going up regardless what have happens with the fiscal cliff. these tacks are written in obamacare. and if taxes do i- deed go up on the top two brackets as a result of the fiscal cliff, that will be on top of the obamacare taxes. >> is there any way for us, the nation, to police the earnings or profits are insurance company under obamacare? there are all of these extra, they get the extra deals. now the insurance companies get the extra deals because they have lobbyists and probably sent them over to the white house and capitol hill and they got the $25 billion that the extra americans don't get, the special deal. how do we know we aren't getting totally scammed by the insurance companies? >> the insurance companies obviously a lot of them wanted obamacare because they sell a product. >> risk. they sell risk. >> and the law -- >> or buy risk. >> and the leforss all ever us to buy their product. if we don't have enough money to buy their product, the law gives taxpayer paid subsidies to buy their product. what's not to like for them? they are pr
and these taxes are going up regardless what have happens with the fiscal cliff. these tacks are written in obamacare. and if taxes do i- deed go up on the top two brackets as a result of the fiscal cliff, that will be on top of the obamacare taxes. >> is there any way for us, the nation, to police the earnings or profits are insurance company under obamacare? there are all of these extra, they get the extra deals. now the insurance companies get the extra deals because they have...
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>> because if you think the fiscal cliff is fun, you'll love the debt ceiling. the economic havoc that is wreaked by the fiscal cliff is a very gradual thing, as you and have i discussed. going over it is a mistake. we shouldn't do it. but at least initially, if we can reverse it, it won't be so bad. if you default on the nation's debt on our treasury bills, that's not a fiscal slope. that's a cataclysmic economic event. not only are you stiffing creditors who believe they have invested in the safest debt in the universe, you're actually threatening to have to raise our interest rates through the roof in order to service our debt, which means absolutely a long-term recession. it's really quite a fatal step. >> "the wall street journal's" reporting that the white house is willing to do corporate tax reform in their new proposal. what do you think than in what do you think that might mean? >> i think it's a neat idea. the white house is actually articulated a fairly detailed corporate tax idea in a white paper that didn't get enough attention a few years ago. and
>> because if you think the fiscal cliff is fun, you'll love the debt ceiling. the economic havoc that is wreaked by the fiscal cliff is a very gradual thing, as you and have i discussed. going over it is a mistake. we shouldn't do it. but at least initially, if we can reverse it, it won't be so bad. if you default on the nation's debt on our treasury bills, that's not a fiscal slope. that's a cataclysmic economic event. not only are you stiffing creditors who believe they have invested...
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we have to learn to stop worrying and love the fiscal cliff. the leaders i talked to today know their actions will take us over the cliff. i understand there is now perception among the media that the man who got every republican to pledge no new taxes is spent. the no tax increase republicans regard the stance as a birthright. a guy that is so anti-spend that he seemed to care more on these issues and more about the accountability for the disaster relief money. i can't really believe that. but a lot of guys down there will do anything to prove a point. but i can tell you there are enough garrets to force us over the cliff. given that the president is not going to let up. got a question either people don't know about the cliff or they believe that a deal will be done. and they that they have fulfilled the norquist pledge. where were the republicans when they refused to pay for the wars, cut taxes, took money from the chinese two, why didn't republicans press for spending cuts when the president extended the tax cuts? and why doesn't the preside
we have to learn to stop worrying and love the fiscal cliff. the leaders i talked to today know their actions will take us over the cliff. i understand there is now perception among the media that the man who got every republican to pledge no new taxes is spent. the no tax increase republicans regard the stance as a birthright. a guy that is so anti-spend that he seemed to care more on these issues and more about the accountability for the disaster relief money. i can't really believe that. but...
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as you know, the senate currently engaged in a high-stakes chess game over the fiscal cliff. one of the pieces they're moving around the board is the debt ceiling. president obama recently said that he, the president, should have the authority to raise the debt ceiling not the congress. they use it as a bargaining chip. that's not rye. senate minority leader mitch mcconnell knows what that means >> the president of the united states, now he's asking for an unlimited -- unlimited -- authority to borrow whenever he wants to for whatever amount he wants to? >> jon: (musming) all right. so the senator clearly doesn't know what the debt ceiling means. the debt ceiling is a control imposed on the treasury department by congress in order to, you know, is there just some well informed and respected authority that can explain what the debt ceiling is >> it gives the government permission to pay back the money we already borrowed >> jon: totally right. i didn't understand it because he was talking too fast but i think he's [bleep] right. and i like that lady too. i don't know her. even
as you know, the senate currently engaged in a high-stakes chess game over the fiscal cliff. one of the pieces they're moving around the board is the debt ceiling. president obama recently said that he, the president, should have the authority to raise the debt ceiling not the congress. they use it as a bargaining chip. that's not rye. senate minority leader mitch mcconnell knows what that means >> the president of the united states, now he's asking for an unlimited -- unlimited --...
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the fiscal cliff is a misnomer. we went off the fiscal cliff a long time ago when we doubled the size of the government in the last 11 years and when we gave increased benefits in medicare without creating tax revenue source to pay for it. the question is not medicare, social security, why would you not just address the issues facing our country and the very things that are going to cripple us if we don't address them? ann and saving medicare, guaranteeing that benefit to people in the future out to be important. we have 3 million people this year that are going to go in to medicare and three million the next and the next. >> what leverage do you think republicans have to force and get a deal? >> i don't know. i think, again, that's washington speak for politics, rather than policy. again, i think we ought to raise it another notch up. shouldn't we be having the president of the united states with the leaders of both houses of congress come together and say what are the real problems in the short term and long term
the fiscal cliff is a misnomer. we went off the fiscal cliff a long time ago when we doubled the size of the government in the last 11 years and when we gave increased benefits in medicare without creating tax revenue source to pay for it. the question is not medicare, social security, why would you not just address the issues facing our country and the very things that are going to cripple us if we don't address them? ann and saving medicare, guaranteeing that benefit to people in the future...
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the fiscal cliff debate hits the floor of the u.s. house but not much progress is made. warren buffett and others tell lawmakers to look for more money from the estate tax. >> susie: i'm susie gharib. could another major bond-buying program be on the way? what we could hear tomorrow as federal reserve policymakers wrap up their two-day meeting. >> tom: ever wonder what goes into making those cardboard store displays? tonight, we look at how one box company is using them to reinvent itself. >> susie: that and more tonight on nbr! >> tom: an agreement to ease the fiscal cliff may not be wrapped up and waiting under your tree for christmas. senate majority leader harry reid said today it would be hard to get an agreement finished by the holiday, blaming the delay on republicans. not surprisingly, republicans say the president hasn't gotten serious about the talks. plenty of outside groups are offering up suggestions. and as darren gersh reports, they include warren buffett and some other big names in finance. >> reporter: there was some public movement in the fiscal cliff s
the fiscal cliff debate hits the floor of the u.s. house but not much progress is made. warren buffett and others tell lawmakers to look for more money from the estate tax. >> susie: i'm susie gharib. could another major bond-buying program be on the way? what we could hear tomorrow as federal reserve policymakers wrap up their two-day meeting. >> tom: ever wonder what goes into making those cardboard store displays? tonight, we look at how one box company is using them to reinvent...